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This PR adds optional Cut-Cross-Entropy (CCE) loss into the ms-swift training pipeline.
CCE is a memory-efficient alternative to standard CE, from Apple’s project:

➡️ https://github.com/apple/ml-cross-entropy


✨ Features

  • Add use_cce=True in TrainArguments to enable CCE.
  • Plug-and-play replacement; no model modification required.
  • Add test script: tests/train/test_cce.py.

Usage:

TrainArguments(
    model='Qwen/Qwen2.5-0.5B-Instruct',
    dataset=['gsm8k#1024'],
    split_dataset_ratio=0.01,
    use_cce=True,
    **kwargs
)

Install dependency:

pip install "cut-cross-entropy @ git+https://github.com/w1ida/ml-cross-entropy.git"

📊 Memory Result (A10, BS=64)

  • Hardware: NVIDIA A10
  • transformers: 4.56.1
  • Model: Qwen/Qwen2.5-0.5B-Instruct
  • Dataset: gsm8k#1024
  • Batch size: 64

Environment

  • Hardware: NVIDIA A10
  • transformers: 4.56.1
  • Model: Qwen/Qwen2.5-0.5B-Instruct
  • Dataset: gsm8k#1024
  • Batch size: 64

Memory Usage

Loss Memory (GiB)
transformers CE 16.24
CCE 2.62

≈ 84% memory reduction.


📄 Reference

Cut Your Losses in Large-Vocabulary Language Models
https://arxiv.org/abs/2411.09009

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This pull request integrates Cut-Cross-Entropy (CCE) loss into the training pipeline, offering a significant memory optimization for large language models. By providing a memory-efficient alternative to traditional cross-entropy, it enables training of larger models or larger batch sizes on existing hardware, making the training process more accessible and scalable.

Highlights

  • Cut-Cross-Entropy (CCE) Integration: Introduced optional CCE loss into the training pipeline, a memory-efficient alternative to standard cross-entropy, based on Apple's ml-cross-entropy project.
  • Memory Efficiency: Demonstrated approximately 84% memory reduction on an NVIDIA A10 GPU for a Qwen model with a batch size of 64, significantly optimizing resource usage.
  • Ease of Use: CCE can be enabled by setting "use_cce=True" in "TrainArguments" and is designed as a plug-and-play replacement without requiring model modifications.
  • Model Support: The CCE patching mechanism supports various LLM architectures including Llama, Mistral, Phi3, Gemma2, and Qwen2.
  • Test Coverage: A new test script ("tests/train/test_cce.py") has been added to validate CCE functionality during SFT training, ensuring proper integration and operation.
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This pull request introduces support for Cut-Cross-Entropy (CCE) loss, offering a memory-efficient alternative for training. The changes integrate CCE into the training pipeline, add UI elements for activation, and include a dedicated test script. The implementation generally follows existing patterns for kernel integrations, such as the Liger kernel, ensuring consistency. The UI updates are well-localized and clearly explain the new feature. Overall, this is a valuable addition for optimizing memory usage during training.

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Jintao-Huang commented Dec 29, 2025

哈咯,这是我这测试的情况,看起来liger_kernel的显存占用更少

使用的是你给的例子

"""
liger_kernel:
{'loss': 0.72876334, 'grad_norm': 5.18441868, 'learning_rate': 9.989e-05, 'epoch': 0.06, 'global_step/max_steps': '1/48', 'percentage': '2.08%', 'elapsed_time': '3s', 'remaining_time': '2m 27s', 'memory(GiB)': 6.26, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.318979}
{'loss': 0.55229092, 'grad_norm': 1.04675198, 'learning_rate': 9.735e-05, 'epoch': 0.31, 'global_step/max_steps': '5/48', 'percentage': '10.42%', 'elapsed_time': '8s', 'remaining_time': '1m 9s', 'memory(GiB)': 6.27, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.622059}
cce:
{'loss': 0.72674572, 'grad_norm': 5.16368008, 'learning_rate': 9.989e-05, 'epoch': 0.06, 'global_step/max_steps': '1/48', 'percentage': '2.08%', 'elapsed_time': '5s', 'remaining_time': '4m 3s', 'memory(GiB)': 6.74, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.193078}
{'loss': 0.55218643, 'grad_norm': 1.03230286, 'learning_rate': 9.735e-05, 'epoch': 0.31, 'global_step/max_steps': '5/48', 'percentage': '10.42%', 'elapsed_time': '11s', 'remaining_time': '1m 39s', 'memory(GiB)': 6.74, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.430464}
原始
{'loss': 0.72737986, 'grad_norm': 5.16535616, 'learning_rate': 9.989e-05, 'token_acc': 0.83662044, 'epoch': 0.06, 'global_step/max_steps': '1/48', 'percentage': '2.08%', 'elapsed_time': '2s', 'remaining_time': '1m 44s', 'memory(GiB)': 61.58, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.450271}
{'loss': 0.55272961, 'grad_norm': 1.02546477, 'learning_rate': 9.735e-05, 'token_acc': 0.85563783, 'epoch': 0.31, 'global_step/max_steps': '5/48', 'percentage': '10.42%', 'elapsed_time': '7s', 'remaining_time': '1m 0s', 'memory(GiB)': 61.58, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.714248}
"""

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w1ida commented Dec 30, 2025

哈咯,这是我这测试的情况,看起来liger_kernel的显存占用更少

使用的是你给的例子

""" liger_kernel: {'loss': 0.72876334, 'grad_norm': 5.18441868, 'learning_rate': 9.989e-05, 'epoch': 0.06, 'global_step/max_steps': '1/48', 'percentage': '2.08%', 'elapsed_time': '3s', 'remaining_time': '2m 27s', 'memory(GiB)': 6.26, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.318979} {'loss': 0.55229092, 'grad_norm': 1.04675198, 'learning_rate': 9.735e-05, 'epoch': 0.31, 'global_step/max_steps': '5/48', 'percentage': '10.42%', 'elapsed_time': '8s', 'remaining_time': '1m 9s', 'memory(GiB)': 6.27, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.622059} cce: {'loss': 0.72674572, 'grad_norm': 5.16368008, 'learning_rate': 9.989e-05, 'epoch': 0.06, 'global_step/max_steps': '1/48', 'percentage': '2.08%', 'elapsed_time': '5s', 'remaining_time': '4m 3s', 'memory(GiB)': 6.74, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.193078} {'loss': 0.55218643, 'grad_norm': 1.03230286, 'learning_rate': 9.735e-05, 'epoch': 0.31, 'global_step/max_steps': '5/48', 'percentage': '10.42%', 'elapsed_time': '11s', 'remaining_time': '1m 39s', 'memory(GiB)': 6.74, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.430464} 原始 {'loss': 0.72737986, 'grad_norm': 5.16535616, 'learning_rate': 9.989e-05, 'token_acc': 0.83662044, 'epoch': 0.06, 'global_step/max_steps': '1/48', 'percentage': '2.08%', 'elapsed_time': '2s', 'remaining_time': '1m 44s', 'memory(GiB)': 61.58, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.450271} {'loss': 0.55272961, 'grad_norm': 1.02546477, 'learning_rate': 9.735e-05, 'token_acc': 0.85563783, 'epoch': 0.31, 'global_step/max_steps': '5/48', 'percentage': '10.42%', 'elapsed_time': '7s', 'remaining_time': '1m 0s', 'memory(GiB)': 61.58, 'train_speed(iter/s)': 0.714248} """

@Jintao-Huang 嗯嗯,liger_kernel 这边还额外优化了 RMSNorm、RoPE、SwiGLU 等算子,从整体显存占用来看确实更低。 paper里只对 logits + CE 部分的显存开销做了对比。
另外,axolotl 这个框架已经支持了 CCE 和 liger-kernel,感觉可以考虑在 ms-swift 里也集成一下CCE的支持~

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支持CCE会额外引入维护成本,我和其他开发者讨论一下

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